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Occasionally I meet someone who would like to get more involved in the Church, but I'm not sure what to do without any priest in the area. Any ideas?
In Christ,
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    The PSCA and the anti-ROCOR schism in the USA 
    « on: July 23, 2009, 02:14:22 AM »
    http://rocorunity.blogspot.com/2009/02/anti-rocor-schism-in-usa.html

    The PSCA and the anti-ROCOR schism in the USA
     In contrast to the Australian situation, the main schismatic body in America, is an organization know as the PSCA or Provsional Supreme Church Authority. What is the PSCA and who is in charge?

    The PSCA was formed by Bishop Agafangel of Odessa (Ukraine), the only ROCOR bishop who chose not to go along with the reconciliation with the MP. Agafangel had earlier refused to be transfered to South America and following May 2007, began actively organizing a schism. He was suspended that same month by the ROCOR Synod for his schismatic activities. Also suspended with him was Abbot Andronik Kotliaroff (pictured above), head of the Russian Ecclesiastic Mission in Jerusalem. Agafangel then carried out the consecration of Abbot Andronik as the so-called "Bishop of Richmond Hill and New York" marking the final break of the new schismatic group from ROCOR.

    On September 4th, 2008, the PSCA received into its communion two bishops from the Sekachev branch of the Russian Catacomb Church. There was considerable debate over the status of the two bishops received and the canonicity of their ordinations. On November 19, 2008, the Provisional Supreme Church Authority called what it termed the 5th All-Diaspora Council (in reference to the 4th All-Diaspora Council of the ROCOR which overwhelmingly supported reconciliation with the Moscow Patriarchate). Among other decisions, the council elevated Agafangel to the rank of Metropolitan.

    Critics have accused Agafangel of political motives. In December 2006, Archimandrite Benjamin (Trepaliuk) accused Agafangel of a "pathological hatred of Russia, its authorities, and its people" and of collaborating with the American Central Intelligence Agency. Archimandrite Benjamin claimed that Agafangel believes the CIA to be "the most human organization in the world", which "cares for the good of all people." Others point to the suspended bishop's friendship with John Herbst, the former US ambassador to Ukraine, as "ties with the US State Department," as well as his active support of the administration of Ukrainian President Victor Yuschenko, seen by many Russians as a "CIA puppet."

    There is much evidence of CIA involvement in the PSCA and none more so obvious than virulently anti-Russian blogs of their late ideological spokesman Dr Eugene Magerovsky (pictured left). Magerovsky was openly and proudly a longtime CIA agent and a vocal supporter and apologist for the Agafangelite movement. His contempt for modern Russia was legendary as was his inability to accept that the Cold War had indeed finished in 1991. Today his work is continued in other blogs of so-called "ROCOR refugees" who continue to demonize and slander the ROCOR/MP and Russia in general. The PSCA has not been able to get a foothold in Australia and the only ex-ROCOR clergyman to join them has been former Canberra deacon Basil Yakimov.

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    Imaginary Canonical Independence

    updated improved translation of this post is found here, August 2014:



    This is a Google translation
    Report by Fr. Victor Dobroff

    http://ruschurchabroad.com/080308.htm

    In the V Vsezarubezhnogo Cathedral:
    On the imaginary kanonichnosti otkolkov RPTSZ,
    About bezblagodatnosti Sacraments in the division after Vsezarubezhnogo V Cathedral and
    The need for dialogue with Orthodox stray.
    Priest Victor Dobroff.
    Imaginary canonical independence, proclaimed by the Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church, like many other otkolkov Church Abroad, is based on the decision of bishops to withdraw from the subordination of foreign Synod by 15 th double of the Council Regulation... Read More ...


    Imaginary Canonical Independence

    In the V Vsezarubezhnogo Cathedral:
    On the imaginary kanonichnosti otkolkov RPTSZ,
    About bezblagodatnosti Sacraments in the division after Vsezarubezhnogo V Cathedral and
    The need for dialogue with Orthodox stray.


    Priest Victor Dobroff.



    † «You natural svet mira: not mozhet градъ hiding a hill standing:
    † below vzhigayut svetilnika and postavlyayut spudom his recovery, but sveschnitse and shines vsem, иже in hramine essence.
    † Tako da svet educate vash submit Rights, as a token so vidyat your good deeds and proslavyat your father, иже to nebeseh »
    † (Mf.5.14-16)
    † † † † † † † † †


    Imaginary canonical independence, proclaimed by the Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church, like many other otkolkov Church Abroad, is based on the decision of bishops to withdraw from the subordination of foreign Synod by 15 th double of the Council Regulation. This rule actually allows bishops to preserve the purity of faith, to protect themselves from its canonical authority vpavshey Ecumenical Council in condemning the fathers or heresy before the legitimate Соборного the Court, but after separation of these bishops themselves for a possible division of massacres, according to the first part of the 15 th The rules remain in Соборного awaiting trial itself. Canonically This precarious situation obliges them to the appropriate behavior, so naturally it would be, conscious of the dubious legality of any of its acts to save them the utmost restraint. It is difficult not amazed at the sight of exactly the opposite, when the bishops, in flagrant violation of the canons, set up new churches and new, separate from the Mother Church Abroad, synods, even more than one canonical territorrii, and themselves collect cathedrals, creating over other its cathedral court!

    Under the provisions of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, «RPTSZ there is an inextricable part of Local Russian Orthodox Church, temporarily self-governing on the basis of Cathedral», ie canonical status is temporary. Itself does not possess autocephaly, RPTSZ, even if they so desire, can not and does not have canonical authority to grant autocephaly someone else or create a new independent Synod. If God is anywhere, and create favorable conditions for convening the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church, where a temporary RPTSZ canonical status will be canceled, then they will be canceled and all existing canonical structure RPTSZ. This explains the fact that earlier RPTSZ never created a separate himself canonically independent structures. In this regard, all the synods and the episcopate, leading to the origin of RPTSZ, kanonichno can not exist apart from the unity and subordination VTSU RPTSZ.

    Given that the canonical uncertainty away from RPTSZ until May 17, 2007 was a very long time, no one will judge the church appeared neoplasm of any temporary improvement and centralization of control of their parishes, and even for the illegal creation of any «dioceses» and «synods» - as a temporary situation, it can be and have been allowed. However, since the phenomenon itself miru aboriginal RPTSZ after its cleaning division 17 May 2007, and further education and VVTSU hirotony for him kanonichnogo episcopate, the temporary autonomous status can no longer continue, because in isolation from the unity and subordinate VVTSU RPTSZ, kanonichno seceded does not exist can. To restore its legitimacy, they need to immediately restore the proper relationship with VVTSU RPTSZ and provide a report on its activities during the period of temporary stay in isolation from the Mother Church, not later than prior to the convening of V Vsezarubezhnogo Cathedral. If, before the time of the Cathedral Vsezarubezhnogo this is not done, then after their stay at the Cathedral of the status of a potential split would be totally illegal and would have to split from RPTSZ, but by their secrets will be null and bezblagodatnymi.

    We know that every single Orthodox Church - a keeper grace of God, save it in a vessel of its kanonichnosti, first and foremost this applies to kanonichnosti origin of the synod of jurisdiction, and its origin kanonichnosti episcopate. It is therefore difficult to take seriously the arguments and definitions of the Cathedral bezblagodatnosti and non ekklesiology local churches originating from jurisdictions such as the Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church, or the true Russian Orthodox Church, which, being out of unity with RPTSZ before receipt of VVTSU due hirotesy not have not so, nor the other.

    With regard to the presence or absence of grace in other jurisdictions, without limiting its clergy and Chad in the freedom of expressing their private opinions, Russian Orthodox Church Abroad has always insisted that does not consider himself, or any other local church, which has the right to take final decision as it is in authority only to duly convened Ecumenical Council. Such a position is always and by all, even the most stringent critics, regarded as orthodox and whose religion is VVTSU RPTSZ.

    Many years ago, at the beginning of my spiritual formation, the author of these lines, and himself was a staunch orthodox out-and-outer. Having to bushuyuschem sea apostasiynogo mira precious gem Orthodox Church Abroad, he asked himself whether it is possible that the grace of God has acted outside the boundaries of true Orthodoxy? Is a manifestation of grace in the sacraments in isolation from the eucharistic communication with RPTSZ? How could «spoil» in 1991, all Bishops and Cathedral RPTSZ khirotonisan in bishops, bezblagodatnogo archimandrite MP taken from bezblagodatnogo Ecuménico «world Orthodoxy» and bezblagodatnogo sergianskogo division MP, and therefore did not have to imagine the sacred dignity Valentine Rusantsova? Resolving some of these issues, under the action of grace, he found in personal conversation with Bishop Gregory (Grabbe). Instead, direct response, ubelenny haired bishop gave the following example for thought:

    «If a tree derail green leaf, ie tear off a sheet from his mother, feeding his vital energy, and watch what happens, we can see that the first time sheet will retain its healthy green look, and live leaves on the tree. However, gradually the green color will fade in it, some places will be lost and the leaf to turn yellow, gradually changing in color to brown and brown, yet the whole does not lose its original vitality and beauty, and coagulated in a brown tube, finally dies. However, if the list fade in time to put in life-giving water, it can not only restore the freshness of its kind, but even the roots, and being planted, root and grow into flowering plants. It's the length of stay in isolation from the leaves of the tree. And what is strange - and sometimes even green leaves, placed in a glass of water, quickly fade, as it is yellowed and has suddenly recruited from somewhere, and force is taking root: it means not even stay in isolation leaves of the tree is the main factor in T all the will of God! »

    Although instructive parable was told by Bishop wise, but we can not find it full pravdatelnogo interpret bishop hirotonii «layman» Valentine Rusantsova: after all, even to restore the life of wood sheets, it must have been at least some, albeit Dying, but previously established and operating in it, vitality. Using the analogy of nature, we must admit that Valentine Rusantsove stayed grace of baptism, and at least some, albeit scant, but all the same - the hierarchical successive Grace Church Sacraments postrizheny, hirotesy and hirotony, which ultimately only and could fill and use it in its entirety after its accession to the living source of the Church Abroad. Otherwise, if Valentin Rusantsov archimandrite was not present, then clerical hirotoniya, done over the layman in the Church RPTSZ could not do this layman Bishop!

    It may seem strange, but the fundamental answer to the question about the validity of episcopal hirotonii Archimandrite Valentine Rusantsova found only in conjunction with the parable of Bishop Gregory ekklesiologiey Metropolitan Cyprian, allowing operation of a grace in the sacraments in Orthodoxy misguided, ill, as MP, member of the Church.

    In this context, it seems ironic that the Cathedral of bishops under the presidency it Valentine Rusantsova, now Metropolitan RPATS, condemned «zlochestivoe mudrovanie» Metropolitan Cyprian, but dividing it «zloverie», betrayed anathematize RPTSZ. But if so, it turns out that, under pain of anathema to us to recognize the Bishopric of the founder of secular RPATS Anatoly Petrovich Rusantsova invalid! Not much better position to RIPTS: Archbishop Tikhon Pasechnik, who came from the Moscow Patriarchate, Archbishop khirotonisan. Zhurbenko Lazarus, who had himself received the priesthood through the Church of Bishop Benjamin Nowicki.

    In his life-saving service, for the cherished unity in Christ, the Church Abroad has sought to reconcile the orthodox confession and canonical rigor to his sister with love and the general Ikonomov - to others. The same principle has always been guided in his ministry and the Greek Orthodox church of the Synod of the opposing IPH, and in general this principle is not new to the Church of Christ.

    Who is not aware of the orthodox history of the church, as St.. Basil the Great was the cause of the healing of division and return to the fold of the Church of heretics-makedonian? Then the most orthodox, even sacred, suspected of Basil the Great in the propensity to heresy, broke communion with him! However, God second ecumenical council approved and adopted the position of the Holy. Basil T does not require makedonian confession of the Spirit of God, but require only a condemnation of those who believe the Holy Spirit creature. History has proved the truth of the views of Basil the Great and the Second Ecumenical Council: former makedoniane themselves gradually turn from evil, opted for a blessing. In edification orthodox "extremists" as well as in memory of the love and Ikonomov the church to the lost, still sounds to us Orthodox Faith, in which the direct exercise of the Holy Spirit of God is absent, though the words are understood Symbol believers, as the approval of His Divinity.

    As the Philadelphia Church, Russian Church Abroad are always looking for the possibility of applying the maximum Ikonomov with respect to the lost. This principle is particularly important for the performance of its historic mission: to consecrate the light of Orthodoxy inoslavny mir, a God if you want to return the T Fatherland lamp Russian Church. A similar mission - a spiritual rebirth of Greece, took over and her Greek Orthodox church, Sister.
    The successful construction of a church Starostilnoy IPH Greek Church Synod of Metropolitan Cyprian proved faithful to its choice of a path. The weighted ekklesiologiya the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad is now almost ninety years allowed it to successfully carry out their missionary service. And we continue to believe that the selected Foreign Church Gold Imperial Way, will be able to bring Russia to its triumphal resurrection!

    Orthodox ekklesiologiya, approved by the Cathedral Church Abroad, is to abstain from the final decisions regarding the presence of grace in the sacraments of other jurisdictions. This means that unnecessary extremes, any categorical «yes», or «no» in addressing this issue are unacceptable to the Church Abroad. It follows that the doctrine of Metropolitan Cyprian, admitting to a final court Ecumenical Council, the possibility of the presence of grace in the sacraments of Churches, departing from the practiced their purity of Orthodoxy, is the only existing ekklisiologiey, which does not contradict ekklesiologii RPTSZ. Balance and wisdom of this position allows our church-The sister did not close in a dramatic and intolerance are not cut off dialogue with the misguided, not terminate it before it began, but the opposite - to keep an open mind on this vital matter. Thus, in the bosom of the Church Abroad and the Hellenic sisters maintained a tradition of theological dispute, suschestvovovavshaya in the Church with the Evangelical times.

    For us, the Russian people, particularly painfully experienced the division created in 1927 after the publication of Metropolitan. Sergei Stragorodskim Declaration of loyalty to the Church of the Soviet species in the Russian Church is called «sergianstvom». According to the Moscow Patriarch Alexy II of 10 June 1991 «untrue implicated in its Declaration», and now we can say without exaggeration that the wrong of this Declaration, all implicated Moscow Patriarchate.

    «Ridges on me» (Mf.8.22) - Christ spoke these words relate to each of us - «Asche who are thirsty, so goes to me, and Piet. These things also reche about Duse »(In.7.37-39):« Az am the Way and the Truth and stomach »(In.14.6)»

    John the Evangelist, revealing the great secret of Christians, said: «The grace and truth came by Jesus Christ» (In.1, 17), and Bogomudry Paul warns: «A wrath of God from heaven on all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, the truth of wrong» (Romans 1:18).

    Not sergian whether ekumenistov, sbivshihsya in the darkness of his wickedness to the saving of Ways and wrong in their misunderstandings Truth and ongoing with the grace of Christ, was called the wrath of God?

    Outside Road, could not be closer to the dynamics of God outside the knowledge of the divinity of Truth Y, Z out of life can not be grace eternity. And before this man lost in the final, according to the word of the Apostle, will the wrath of God before they will open all its unattractive expected to eternity, we must not turn from the dialogue with the lost with these, but to protect the truth, with all diligence and fear , to give them a T suschim in darkness, staying in the Church of Christ Light and the King of glory execute: «Yes to educate your light before men»! (Mf.5.16)
    «Look, first the kingdom of God and his righteousness» (Matthew 6, 34) T this is what God has commanded us.

    Not scholasticism of grace where God is and whether jointly with the truth, and under what conditions is valid, must be addressed to Christians, as reasonable Creatures of God, indivisible from the Energy and Power Godhead T region Secrets will not fit in the squares, nacherchennye human consciousness, but in the simplicity heart of this commandment, we should first of all seek the truth of God and help others to find this truth. It is found, it a guide in its decision with whom to communicate, on what basis and how they engage in dialogue. Parvdy God, causing pain, we need to go, however, that neither the new calendar, either in sergianstve nor ecumenism, nor in the division no.

    source: Google translation: http://ruschurchabroad.com/080308.htm

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    Fr. Elias Shares A Memory Today

    Subject: St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco
    Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:05:23 -0700
    St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco (+1896-1966)

    My Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus!

    May the Blessings of our Lord and the prayers of Saint John be with you!

    I write on this day of great importance to us in the Church Abroad to relay a story that had a profound effect on me related to our Father among the Saints, St John.

    I was visiting the San Francisco Cathedral as I had many times with the Holy Miraculous Icon of St. Nicholas. On Saturday afternoon they do a Molieben for the living and the reposed. I happen to be there that day and Vladyka, of thrice blessed memory, Anthony was doing the Molieben because the Icon was present.

    At the end of the service Vladyka Anthony came up to me and asked in a pleading tone if St. John could venerate the Holy Icon. He barked something in Russian as he was sometimes known to do and sub-deacons, a deacon and two priests appeared, as did the faithful and the choir there gathered around. We went to the reliquary. Vladyka ordered it opened and he removed the cover from St. John’s face. I removed the Holy Icon from the kiot and handed it to Vladyka who then turned the Icon upside down placing it face to face with the Holy Relics, singing the Tropar of St. Nicholas, joined in by all there.

    He then took the Holy Icon from the reliquary and handed it to me, it was pouring Holy Myrrh which was streaming everywhere as I hurried to return it to its kiot. Vladyka once again snapped something in Russian and red cloth napkins appeared from behind the Iconostasis and were use to soak up the Holy Myrrh.

    Vladyka Anthony then turned to me with those eyes of a child that pierced your heart and said: “Isn’t the Lord Wondrous in His Saints?”

    May the prayers of our Holy Father St. John intercede for us with our Gracious Lord!



    In Christ Jesus,

    V. Rev. Fr. Elias Warnke
    Mission of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker

    Fearless Champion Of True Orthodoxy

    The Inner Life of Christian asceticism and virtue must needs, in God's own time, be put to outward test, both so that the genuineness of the ascetic's spirituaity may be proved, and so that the Orthodox faithful may be benefited. Such a test came to Archbishop John at the end of the Second World War. In 1944 and 1945 the tyrant Stalin, both in order to pacify his subjects at home and to destroy the free Russian Church abroad and thus subjugate the Russian exiles, commanded the election of a "Patriarch" of his puppet church, and then sent his emissaries throughout the world to gain recognition for him. Nowhere was his campaign more thorough than in the Far East. A film was shown of the election of the "Patriarch" Alexy; glorious tales were spread of the completely changed situation in the USSR, especially as regards religious freedom; Russian patriotism was fully played upon; and full advantage was taken of the remoteness of Metropolitan Anastassy and the Synod of Bishops Abroad [in Western Europe], with whom the Far East had had no contact during all the war years. And so it was that many thousands of ordinary Russians and, sad to say, five out of the six hierarchs of the Russian Church Abroad in the Far East, were caught on Stalin's hook: they submitted to the Moscow Patriarchate and applied for Soviet Passports; a great many [including four of the hierarchs] returned to the Soviet Union and few were ever heard of again.

    Vladyka John, however, despite intense pressures, threats of violence, and attempts to poison him, alone refused to take any decisive step until he had heard from Metropolitan Anastassy. Late in 1945 he did hear from him, learned that the Synod of Bishops Abroad still existed, and saw for himself the film on the election of "Pariarch" Alexy. As a result, he announced his faithfulness to the Synod to which he had given his oath of loyalty as bishop, and declared the "election" as presented in the film to be clearly uncanonical. With this Vladyka's situation became even more tense, causing the Orthodox youth to form a special guard which secretly followed Vladyka everywhere and frustrated the known plans the Soviets to kidnap him and place him aboard a Soviet ship. Finally, in the spring of 1946, Vladyka's immediate superior, Archbishop Victor of Peking, "removed" him from the See of Shanghai and forbade him to serve. Undaunted, upon hearing of his "interdiction" Vladyka John went to the Shanghai Cathedral, mounted the ambo, and announced: "I will obey this ukase only in case I be shown by Holy Scripture and by the laws of any country, that oath-breaking is a virtue and faithfulness to one's oath is a terrible sin;" and he served the Divine Liturgy in defiance of the interdiction of the uncanonical authority. The faithful rallied behind him, and thus, proving by his confession the genuineness of his personal sanctity, he singlehandedly saved 6000 believers from Soviet concentration camps and from the subtle deceit and soul-destroying error of "Sergianism." Thus he earned the bitter hatred of the Moscow Patriarchate, whose "Journal" labelled his courageous stand for truth "the schism of vicar John Maximovitch" -- thus placing him in the glorious line of Metr. Joseph and the confessors of 127!

    from:
    Blessed John
    St. Herman Press
    1979
    Chapter 7 pp. 76, 77

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    ROCIE Was Started By Agents

    In a recent comment on Vladyka Agafangel's blog I see for the first time confirmation of my suspicion that ROCIE was created by agents. The purpose was to first draw out those who would oppose the union, and then to render them ineffective at persuading others by labeling them as fanatics and schismatics. The Google translation is very rough, but the meaning still comes through. -jh
    IEROM. Dionis Alferova suffered ...
    (Anonymous)
    2009-06-19 09:53 am UTC (link)

    ... In order to finally defeat RPTSZ, the KGB conducted an excellent operation in two stages.

    The first phase - the creation in 2001, a front Mansovnivilskogo Synod, led by the patients and inadequate Metropolitan. Vitali, where they must go all the opponents of the Moscow Patriarchate. And then they push it in Mansonville lbami that subsequently occurred. It was a step in the neutralization RPTSZ, that opponents of Grizlov between themselves and not to hinder the church ship on reefs, where there was a Soviet «Mother of the Church». Inadequate Metropolitan. Vitali has successfully done for years with the help of appropriate medicines. Then, many with their own eyes could see the sad result of such a mountain of treatment.

    The second phase - that is, with the Moscow Patriarchate in 2007.

    The third stage, the final will be in 2012, which expire 5 years of IP data. After that it will be a totally different conversation with those who are in zarubezhnikami patriarhiynyh paws. A few parishes in the Russian Federation RPTSZ outlaw and destroy, as it was already in the history of the Soviet Union more than once. ...

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